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After losing a good chunk of yesterday and today to server outages on the Beta, I was finally able to log in a couple of hours ago and work on a new guide. I started to work on Inscription, but the recipe I'm stuck on is still broken. So I moved on to Engineering and I'm happy to report that it was pretty painless. It has only taken me 90 minutes and that includes taking notes and doing the mailbox shuffle between characters.
I planned for the worst, but luckily many of the blue items made by Engineers are granting multiple skill points. This helps quite a bit with the leveling process. There are a few spots where I was hoping to use an easier recipe, most notably the Goblin Barbecue. Unfortunately that recipe was green to me as soon as I trained it, which kind of bummed me out. The Heat-Treated Spinning Lure was yellow when I trained it, but I decided to include it anyway because the scope uses more difficult materials.
I also made a nice discovery - literally! The self-enhancement recipes that were removed from the trainers are now discovery items. I learned seven of the eight missing recipes while leveling up. It appears to be totally random, but occasionally you'll learn one of these while crafting something else.
I leveled Engineering on one of my premade characters, so I started at 425 instead of the current cap of 450. This is because my actual engineer is a Gnome, which skews all the difficulty ratings. Feel free to ignore the stuff below 450 if that doesn't apply to you.
Here's my recommended leveling progression for 425-525:
425-445: Handful of Obsidium Bolts (120 obsidium bars)
445-460: Electrified Ether (30 volatile air)
460-470: R19 Threatfinder or Safety Catch Removal Kit (12 obsidium bars + 4 alicite + 12 obsidium bolts or 20 obsidium bars + 20 obsidium bolts)
470-475: High-Powered Bolt Gun (10 obsidium bars + 8 obsidium bolts + 4 electrified ether)
475-490: Elementium Toolbox or Lure Master Tackle Box (60 elementium bars + 12 obsidium bolts or 45 elementium bars + 36 volatile earth)
490-495: Elementium Toolbox (15 elementium bars + 12 volatile earth)
495-510: Finely-Tuned Throat Needler (6 electrified ether + 12 obsidium bars + 15 hardened elementium bars)
510-521: Heat-Treated Spinning Lure (20 obsidium bolts + 80 elementium bars + 20 volatile fire)
521-525: Gnomish X-Ray Scope (2 dream emeralds + 2 hardened elementium bars)
Final Tally for materials used is:
154-174 obsidium bars
30 volatile air
4 alicite (optional)
140-155 elementium bars
12-48 volatile earth
17 hardened elementium bars (170 elementium bars + 68 volatile earth)
20 volatile fire
2 dream emeralds
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Hey Kal, a relatively unrelated question for you: are they changing the way we learn glyphs in Cataclysm? In particular, I am worried about the glyphs that used to be learned from the Books: with fewer people going around the lvl 80 zones, the supply for these is going to turn into a trickle, and at the same time we're still going to use those same glyphs....
ReplyDeleteI see no change in the way glyph books function at this point. I've been keeping a stash on me for testing purposes but so far haven't noticed any change. I suspect that for now the book-related glyphs will stay exactly as they are. Eventually scarcity will become a problem and Blizzard may change them to a different source at that point. I doubt they will change them proactively if they haven't done it yet.
ReplyDeleteYour blog is great!!
ReplyDeleteThank you so much, I'm glad you're enjoying it :)
ReplyDeleteCan you expect multiple skill ups from building a chopper (goes yellow at 480, green at 485) or can only cata recipes grant multiple points?
ReplyDeleteI've seen very little evidence that multiple skill ups have been applied to pre-Cata recipes. I had some orange Leatherworking patterns in my book and none of them had extra skill points.
ReplyDeleteThe only exception to this is Inscription, which was revamped specifically for the glyph changes they made with the ink. All glyphs give 3 skill points because they increased the ink needed to 3 per glyph. That's the only profession I've seen so far with multiple skill points in pre-Cata recipes. And I've leveled them all from 1-300 at this point, so I would have spotted changes if they were there.
What level do you need to max out engineering? I want to try to nab server first, and am wondering if i can do it right from 80.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely - my toon was 80 when she did it. Good luck and let us know how it goes for you!
ReplyDeleteAwesome! And all these recipes you can learn from the trainers in org i am guessing? And you bought the mats yourself?
ReplyDeleteThat's right, all of these recipes are available from the regular trainers once Cataclysm launches. I didn't get a chance to visit all the trainers in Orgrimmar, but I visited enough to confirm that they were offering the new recipes.
ReplyDeleteI didn't purchase most of my materials, I had to farm the bulk of it. If you're going for a Realm First, it's very likely you'll have to collect your own materials. Most players are not focused on farming/selling on the first day of a new expansion.
dude this is awsome, and ty v much :)
ReplyDeleteYou're very welcome and good luck to you!
ReplyDeleteIs it possible to actually equip the new engineer goggles at 81? Or do you have to wait until you have access to the phased trainers in TH around 84?
ReplyDeleteThe recipes for the new googles are on the trainers, so you should be able equip the goggles at level 81. The main hurdle for wearing them will be getting to max Engineering, as they also require 525 skill to equip.
ReplyDeleteThe only engineering items that are in Twilight Highlands are the new gems that engineers are getting. They aren't a crafted item though, just special gems that can only be used by Engineers.
your blog is great! informative and to the point.
ReplyDeleteI have read in the last few days that the engineering trainer is Zangramarsh. Is this the only engineer trainer till TH?
thanks
Anon: Actually, they updated all the profession trainers to include all recipes now, so you do not have to trek to Outland. I'll be updating my lists with the new trainers this week, but you can pretty much visit any Engie trainer to learn the Cata recipes. The only exception to this is specialty recipes, they are still using the old system.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the awesome info:) Hopefully this increases my chances for realm first engineer :D!
ReplyDeleteHi kal, is there an Eng trainer/forge in twilight highlands and mount hyjal? Going for realm first engineer need answer quick!
ReplyDeleteNo, the closest trainer you'll be able to find for Hyjal is The Exodar. Near Twilight Highlands the closest Engineering trainer is in Ironforge. If I were you I'd camp in The Exodar, portal to Darnassus and fly to Hyjal. You could also hearth in Everlook and station your toon in the Exodar near the trainer. As soon as Cata goes live you chat up the trainer, hearth to Everlook and start mining it up!
ReplyDeleteGood Luck!!
For my comment above
ReplyDeleteJust got realm first engineer. So glad I bumped into the realm first alchemist or I wouldn't of got my last levels. Thx for all your tips =)
You bet - congratz on the Realm First!!
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ReplyDeletejust got realm first on velen from following your guide :D thanks!! it was perfect!!.....hardest part was getting the earth ;/ spent 2 hours mining and managed to find 11, had to buy it and the gems, but that was it :D thanks again for the awesome guides!
ReplyDeleteHey Kaliope! Thought I'd drop in to say thank you; I also got realm first Illustrious Engineer while using your guide! Took about 8 hours because I had to farm almost everything; my mining alt got over half a level just gathering xD; I still had to buy all the Volatile Airs, a handful of Earths, and the 2 Emeralds but it was a small price to pay for my awesome FoS. ;D
ReplyDeleteAgain, thank you so much! Now to pull up the JC guide and start on that... xD
-- Luthielle, Garrosh US :3
Kaliope, I didn't even do any research into Engineering. But thanks to knowing I could come here for great information I was able to get server first Engineer with very little headache. Thanks so much for all you've done!
ReplyDeleteI'm so excited for you guys - congrats to all of you!!!
ReplyDeleteLiked your interview on Call to Auction. Brought a good chunk of knowledge and energy to the show.
ReplyDeleteSlot: I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I had a lot of fun and the guys were such fun to chat with =)
ReplyDeleteis there a forge in Twilight Highlands, prefedibly near Dragonmaw? making stuff on the anvil there is great an all but kinda useless without being able to smelt the ore..
ReplyDeleteHeh, I submitted a bug report in Beta with the EXACT same comment about Thundermar! They are in dire need of forges in that zones considering how much ore is there. Unfortunately when I checked the other day, I saw no forge at Thundermar. I can only assume there's been no change at other towns either. I don't see a way to look it up either, perhaps someone else knows a master list of forges?
ReplyDeleteThanks for this m8, I found it very useful. Have a couple internets courtesy of teh Strydz
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